tt post may 6 2016 - C quote=202360 I think the point is that discussions are easy, and they have occurred before, but results take time. Maybe changing a one-lane road to two lanes can occur quickly, but larger projects take a while. For example, the new downtown Toledo "Middlegrounds Metropark":http://metroparkstoledo.com/explore-your-parks/middlegrounds/ is expected to open in 2016. The Metroparks "acquired that land":http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/906/ReUrbanism_Meeting_Notes_Feb_22_2007#Metroparks in 2005 or 2006, thanks to a federal grant, according to its website. From my February 2007 ReUrbanism meeting notes: q. This will be a new Metropark some day. q.. That project has taken at least 10 years to complete. br. Toledo's new arena "opened":http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/37909/Arena_Project_UPDATE in the fall of 2009. The first plan, that I am aware of, for building a new arena on the west side of the river in downtown Toledo was "published":http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/comments.pl/3/619 in 1993. Last decade, many debates "occurred":http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/comments.pl/3/619 about which side of the river to build the arena, which probably delayed its opening by at least five years. Obviously, the arena project was a wacky, political hot turd. Hopefully, it's progress was the exception and not the norm. Bang out those small, relatively easy ideas first. Accept the fact that bigger projects will attract political leeches that will slow progress. Think slow and steady. Don't get anxious. It will be okay. It has taken 20 to 25 years for downtown Toledo to morph into its current form. I assume that this new downtown Toledo master plan will be a to-do list for the next 10 to 20 years or more. After all, it's called the 22nd Century Committee. These types of discussions will probably be needed again in 2026, which is fine. That's probably how you move a glacier. endcycle, 10 years from now, you'll be telling stories about how you have seen this before and what happens when politicians get involved.