tt proposed post jun 12, 2017 - b

bq. _"Detroit and Cleveland are perfect examples-Cleveland is well into it's second life and Detroit, well, that population figure is about to change, you can't get an apartment *downtown* and cranes are everywhere."_

Right. Downtown. 

Downtown Detroit, Cleveland, and Toledo are fine places to visit and live. 

But someday, people outside these cities will realize that those  downtown areas do not represent the entirety of those cities.