Another Facebook contribution to PHP

It's possible that nothing fires up a fierce debate among computing programming geeks more than a discussion of the pros and cons of the PHP programming language.

PHP may be the favorite language to hate, yet it continues to be one of the most used web programming languages. And PHP continues to power some of the most heavily-trafficked sites. Plenty of job openings exist for PHP programmers.

https://code.facebook.com/posts/264544830379293/hack-a-new-programming-language-for-hhvm/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7436401

> What major accomplishments in computing that have been built atop crumbling foundations can claim anything even close to the scale of success of these examples?

Wikipedia and Facebook?

Another HN comment:

> I am baffled as to why you'd build your castle atop a crumbling foundation.
> I have wondered why FB didn't use a proper language with proper typing to begin with.

I would suggest watching Keith Adams's talk, "Taking PHP Seriously": http://www.infoq.com/presentations/php-history

He goes through why Facebook uses PHP and decided to build upon it to create Hack. I highly recommend watching the whole thing, but the main three things he points to are:

1. Frictionless programmer workflow with a short feedback cycle
2. All PHP requests start out with the same consistent state by default
3. Rigid style of concurrency

HN comment:

The HN crowd seems to dislike (or despise perhaps?) PHP, but it's really not that bad. Yes it has a lot of warts, but it has a lot of things that make it nice for web development.

a) try your new code by saving in your editor, and hitting reload in your web browser.

b) it's very approachable. People who only know HTML and CSS can be expected to do a little bit of PHP work to integrate their changes. If you setup the right network mounts, they just need to edit files and reload (see a)

c) it's not super high overhead at runtime. If you're not using a framework, and you don't build up a crazy object hierarchy, it's not too hard to get your page out with about 10 ms of overhead beyond data fetching. For very simple webservices (fetch data, possibly from multiple sources, and do a little formatting for the consumer), I was able to get the overhead down to 2ms. You can certainly do better with other languages, but you can usually get better throughput improvement by working on getting data quickly. Btw, all the frameworks are terrible; many of them add 100 ms to the page just for the privilege of loading the includes; PHP is a framework for web programming thank you very much.

d) cleanup; you don't have to worry about it. If you don't do anything weird (c extensions, with non-preferred malloc), at the end of the request, everything is thrown away.

That said, there are plenty of things PHP isn't good at: I wouldn't run a long running process in PHP; and multithreaded PHP sounds like a bad idea.

Every computer language will have warts and be disliked by someone.

If a programmer can solve a problem or make someone

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