Tt post june 9, 2016 - a

This might be my fault. ProMedica and the Metroparks probably read my birdwatching reports from the Marina District land, and how I considered it amazing that Savannah Sparrows and Eastern Meadowlarks nest or try to nest each summer on that grassland habitat, located in the downtown of a mid-sized city. That type of bird activity in a downtown city is probably unique to the entire United States.

In the past, I have jokingly thought that the Marina District land should be made a city park. I never thought that it would be possible.

I'm curious how East Side residents feel. Things were raucous back in 2005, regarding the arena and the Marina District development.

"The only benefit whatsoever is that PH2 has already counted the money from the sale in the budget ..."

I'm unsure how that works. I would agree if Toledo owned the land, but Dashing-Pacific will sell it to ProMedica.

ProMedica will buy all 69 acres of the Marina District land, currently owned by DP.

The entire Marina District land contains approximately 128 acres.

I don't know who owns the other 50-plus acres. Maybe the city of Toledo (us) owns it.

And maybe this other 50-plus acres will be sold by Toledo to ProMedica, which satisfies justread's comment about the mayor selling it for budget reasons. Toledo's 2016 budget is counting on the city selling a few million dollars worth of land.

The text portion of yesterday's Blade story does not mention the possible sale of the other 50-plus acres of Marina District land.

But this image from the story alludes to ProMedica possibly buying ALL of the Marina District land eventually. What would P

From the June 8, 2016 Blade story:

ProMedica plans to hold the land for an undetermined amount of time before it sells most or all of it for the same price to the Metroparks ...

How many years in an "undetermined"? Three, five, ten?

The Middlegrounds Metropark is scheduled to open in three months, September 2016. The Metroparks acquired that land at least 10 years ago.

From the Blade:

The new park would be the system’s top priority and take at least 12 months to plan, Mr. Zenk said.

Mr. Oostra stressed that ProMedica does not intend to develop the property and does not want to keep it long term.

Mr. Bell warned that Lucas County would no longer receive property taxes on the land once it is owned by the Metroparks system.

The ProMedica/Metroparks development of the Marina District will be the land's sixth development plan.

Past announced Marina District developers:

• ~2001 - Frank Kass - Columbus
• ~2003 - Bruce Douglas - Toledo area
• 2005 - Pizzuti Cos - Columbus
• 2006 - Dillin Corp - Toledo area
• 2011- Dashing Pacific Group - China
• 2016 - ProMedica/Metroparks

Toledo mayors since 2000 (election winners)

• Carty
• Ford
• Carty
• Bell
• Collins
• Hicks-Hudson

More from the Blade story:

Mr. Oostra said developers have had 20 years to develop that property with no success.

Toledo politics may have been a bulwark.

Back in 2005, Pizzuti was the most involved among all of the past developers. Pizzuti held multiple meetings with the community, and they took their time developing a plan.

In my opinion, if Carty had not been elected mayor of Toledo in 2005, Pizzuti would have proceeded with development. It's probable that buildings would have gone unused for a while, until the recent interest in moving companies to downtown Toledo.

When trying to move 100+ employees to downtown Toledo, the options are limited, unless the company wants to spend money and time renovating an old building, and that's not an attractive option for all.

In 2006, when Carty assumed the throne for a third time, it seemed that one of Carty's main goals was to undo anything that was touched by Jack Ford. Carty firing Pizzuti may have been a disaster.

More from the June 8 Blade story:

The 22nd Century Committee, a public-private partnership drafting a new master plan for downtown Toledo in which ProMedica has a strong presence, determined the Toledo area lacks sufficient urban parkland, he said. Mayor Paula Hicks-Hudson said the entire 69 acres should be turned into parkland.

TT thread about the 22nd Century Committee's May 2016 meeting about a downtown master plan. Corresponding May 2016 Blade story :

A vision for downtown Toledo’s future includes more parks, improved traffic flow, and an emphasis on riverfront development.

Adding a potential 320 acres of parks — or 20 percent of the downtown area compared with the current 2 percent dedicated to parks — would put Toledo on par with other successful cities such as Chicago.

My thought back then: "It seems like it will be tricky to balance more residential and business development with more green space."

Apparently, it won't be tricky. Adding more green space to downtown Toledo is what people have been wanting. This is action. But this part of the downtown master plan:

... emphasis on riverfront development ...

must be relying on moving salt piles.